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This is missing rectal and insufflation as ROA's, could someone who knows the duration's of each phase add those in? | This is missing rectal and insufflation as ROA's, could someone who knows the duration's of each phase add those in? | ||
:{{ping|Natycat}} Request noted. We will try to add these values soon. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 23:51, 3 October 2017 (CEST) | |||
==Structural similarity to mescaline== | |||
The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, '''all of which are derivatives of mescaline'''." is incorrect. [[Mescaline]] is a '''3''',4,5-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are '''2''',4,5-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out. | |||
[[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 14:53, 16 November 2017 (CET) | |||
:{{ping|Hydroxypcp}} You are right in that the initial wording of the statement was a bit imprecise, or contained some ambiguity. "Derivative" can be a bit of a tricky word as its meaning can differ depending on whether it is used in, say, a strictly modern chemical context, or a looser historical one. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that 2C-x is a second-order derivative series of mescaline, with DOx being the first. The team has discussed this matter and decided on a clearer and more accurate way of wording the statement. We hope you find it reasonable. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 18:02, 16 November 2017 (CET) | |||
:{{ping|Clarity}} Yes, now it sounds far better. [[User:Hydroxypcp|Hydroxypcp]] ([[User talk:Hydroxypcp|talk]]) 06:14, 17 November 2017 (CET) | |||
== HCl vs HBr == | |||
Both the 2C-B HBr and HCl salts are common and the dosages differ. The HBr dosage is about (consensus is 1.15x or 1.21x) the HCl dosage, and a small change in 2C-B dosage can change the whole nature of the experience. This is pretty important to mention. Thanks. | |||
{{ping|solinium}} Thanks for the suggestion, we'll try to find a way to incorporate this information into the article. --[[User:Clarity|Clarity]] ([[User talk:Clarity|talk]]) 23:56, 21 January 2019 (CET) | |||
Latest revision as of 22:56, 21 January 2019
This is missing rectal and insufflation as ROA's, could someone who knows the duration's of each phase add those in?
- @Natycat: Request noted. We will try to add these values soon. --Clarity (talk) 23:51, 3 October 2017 (CEST)
Structural similarity to mescaline
The following sentence (2nd sentence in the introduction) "It is a popular member of the 2C-x family of psychedelic phenethylamines, all of which are derivatives of mescaline." is incorrect. Mescaline is a 3,4,5-substituted phenethylamine, while 2C-x compounds are 2,4,5-substituted phenethylamines. Slight, but nonetheless (bio)chemically significant difference. I edited the phrase out.
Hydroxypcp (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2017 (CET)
- @Hydroxypcp: You are right in that the initial wording of the statement was a bit imprecise, or contained some ambiguity. "Derivative" can be a bit of a tricky word as its meaning can differ depending on whether it is used in, say, a strictly modern chemical context, or a looser historical one. I don't think it's necessarily wrong to say that 2C-x is a second-order derivative series of mescaline, with DOx being the first. The team has discussed this matter and decided on a clearer and more accurate way of wording the statement. We hope you find it reasonable. --Clarity (talk) 18:02, 16 November 2017 (CET)
- @Clarity: Yes, now it sounds far better. Hydroxypcp (talk) 06:14, 17 November 2017 (CET)
HCl vs HBr
Both the 2C-B HBr and HCl salts are common and the dosages differ. The HBr dosage is about (consensus is 1.15x or 1.21x) the HCl dosage, and a small change in 2C-B dosage can change the whole nature of the experience. This is pretty important to mention. Thanks.
@solinium: Thanks for the suggestion, we'll try to find a way to incorporate this information into the article. --Clarity (talk) 23:56, 21 January 2019 (CET)